Business of Machining

John Grimsmo of Grimsmo Knives and John Saunders of NYC CNC discuss their success, struggles, goals and more as machinists, business owners and entrepreneurs.
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Sep 15, 2017
BEEF.  That's what's for 7am.
People that lack authenticity can test your nerves and leave you 
feeling raw but it's easy to let it go when there are bigger fish to fry.
Today is the first day of the rest of Grimsmo Knives.  
After an arduous journey with a 2.25 year pre-order, the new
direction for the company becomes clear. It's like a breath of 
fresh processes. 
If you want to dig up the past, perhaps you should try using your Grimsmo Knife.  According to prehistoric sources, it does a DINO-mite job. Click here
As Saunders prepares for his family vacation, he's also drilling his brain (pun intended) about incorporating re-ground tools into the workflow for the steel fixture plates.  
Will he be able to leave the shop rest assured or will his brain spiral out of control?
TRELLO?  Is it me you're looking for?
Saunders and Grimsmo discuss the benefits of using this app as well as others for organization, research and other tasks.  
Happy belated birthday to Grimsmo! According to Saunders, they 
have now reached a new milestone: Boring Dad Birthday Age.  
I'll take my FANUC macro book and be on my way now, thanks.
When life gives you lemons, you make lemonade.
When life gives you 62 Rockwell, you become....a cannibal?
Click below for a peek if you dare.
Head over to iTunes to give the co-hosts a shout, especially if
the machines are running. Until the end of September, you can leave a review and get 
a chance to mull things over with the guys.  
Sep 8, 2017
"I don't always find EXTRA KNIFE ORDERS but when I do, it's when I have T-minus 6 days until the deadline. "- Grimsmo
If you haven't seen your reflection in a while, check out this Instagram post.
Record players are scarce these days but there's something that might work in a pinch.  A PROFILOMETER???
For Saunders, the benefits of a Cogsdill are becoming more evident
but is it the answer for the steel fixture plates?
Have we forgotten the Linda wheel?
Grimsmo doesn't want to purchase the same wheel again but he may not have a choice.  Production must be able to continue whether or not he has found a way to get better results.  That moment when your business starts making the decisions. 
Breaking up is hard to do, especially when it's with WTF anodizing.  There aren't many fish in the sea but that doesn't mean doing it yourself is sustainable.
QC Video
The guys discuss shifts in their primary roles as entrepreneurs and morning routines.
Saunders must have some interesting S&F for those 11 minutes.
After tuning in, head over to iTunes to leave a review for the co-hosts! 
From now until the end of September,
your review = chance to shoot the breeze with co-hosts on the topic of your choice.
Sep 1, 2017
Harder. Better. Faster. Stronger.
Out of nowhere, Grimsmo has an astonishing spike 
in productivity but Saunders is perplexed.  Did he wake up with
superpowers or clone himself?
Bureaucracy?  More like bureauCRAZY!
Saunders finds himself peevish and bogged down with
what should have been a simple task.
With the right tools in the right places,
machining the steel fixture plates should, in theory, 
be a cinch; however, with 471 holes, tool deflection and wear are proving
to be a challenge.  
Both Johns are looking forward to next month's trade shows but 
for Grimsmo, September is a new beginning.
Whodunnit? Here's a clue: it wasn't Colonel Mustard in the library with 
a candlestick. Find out which one of the guys had to hit the E-Stop and why.    
If you haven't left a review on iTunes, it's not too late!
Leave a few words for the co-hosts for your chance to 
have a chat with them.
Aug 25, 2017
"I've felt what drowning feels like and it sucks." 
Grimsmo's pushing full steam ahead but is it enough to meet the deadline?
Reducing Stress = Immediate Relief, right? Not exactly.
Unfortunately, ANY change in your normal stress level can leave you feeling 
worse because it's not what you're used to. Saunders grapples with finding a new
How do you pay Uncle Sam and what do they call it in Canada?  
Paying sales taxes in their respective countries is different but do they agree on 
the notion of getting financial business advice and what to do with it?
Saunders and Grimsmo discuss BORING BAR pre-machined surface sensitivity, process
reliability, and faking it 'til you make it.  In this case a wrong CAN make
a right. 
Keeping up on social media platforms is tedious but with a few
hacks, you can stay on top of your game. 
#toomanyhashtags #watchyourfingers
Now Trending: Can't high five a friend because you're far away?  
E-FIVES are the next best thing. 
Don't forget to leave a review on iTunes to 
get your chance to talk with the co-hosts!   
Aug 18, 2017

Feel like picking some BRAINS?

By reviewing this podcast on iTunes from now through the end of September, you could be chosen to have a CHAT with the co-hosts on the topic of your choice!

Saunders visits Madison, WI for Tech Days, formerly the Tormach Open House and
Mitutoyo America Corporation, second to The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) in metrology accuracy.

And I said, "LAAATHE, what's goin' on?"
Grimsmo's coming in hot his inserts are turning to TOAST! Reaching out
for some help on Instagram, he's told to go back to school when it comes to SFM.
Click here to see Instagram post.

Should Grimsmo dive into arduino and put a z-axis motor on the
Tormach Surface Grinder? It's a yes AND a no from Saunders.

With the August 31st deadline fast approaching, marking the Rask Advent Calendar
has become an exciting part of the day.

Crunching numbers on accounting and the role it plays in capital investment.


Aug 11, 2017

Video: Q-Mark


How long have you been in survival mode? If you're feeling under the
weather, there's a good chance it isn't last night's dinner.
When it comes to stress, be prepared to bring solutions to the table.
If there isn't a solution, venting and validation can offer relief.

Saunders and Grimsmo mull over ways to avoid past pitfalls and new ideas
to move their businesses forward. Often, the right decision isn't the easiest decision.

What gives? Saunders and Grimsmo share personal experiences
and frustration about companies who refuse to give a ballpark when it
comes to pricing.

No more guessing! Saunders reveals plans for the $11.82 teaser nugget.

On philosophical note, the guys talk about inspiration and legacy.
The phrase, "You can't take it with you" takes on a new meaning.

Aug 4, 2017

Video: Okamoto - I DO give a chuck! 


The Rask order is nearing completion and the stork's bringing the VF2.

Saunders has a fantastic week. Systems are falling into place but
he reminds himself "not to count his chips while he's at the table." Grimsmo
still thinks it's a good idea to pat yourself on the back every once in a while.

The guys discuss accounting, tool organization and an important question
that was posed by Saunders in episode 17. Now that Grimsmo's had
some time to think, he's got some answers but what if it wasn't the
right question to ask?

Tune in to find out about a project that will give some weight to spinner
production and Saunders's $11.82 "teaser nugget." Can anyone guess
what's going on with that? Hmmm...


Jul 28, 2017

Orange Vise Tour 


Grimsmo returns from vacation but was he able to relax?

Saunders tinkers with a new plan for organizing tools.
Just because they're the same size doesn't mean they go together.
To maximize efficiency, you may need to think outside your tool box.

PROCESS RELIABILITY, tell me what it means to me...
Reliable and consistent results take the cake over pushing tool paths to the limit.

The guys get to the nitty gritty on boring heads, tool life and custom macro for probing.
Saunders plans to test his codes to instill some confidence.

Grimsmo dreams of a book about FANUC macro code for his birthday.
"If it's a Fanuc intruction book, it'll probably have to come freight delivery." -Saunders

The Founder, a movie about the McDonald's franchise, offers food for thought.
Even if you don't plan on franchising your business, this movie could help you "dial in" your

Are they status boards? No one is sure exactly,
but they're working like a charm! Tune in to find out what the guys will be calling them

Jul 21, 2017
    Orange Vise Tour

Machine ROI

Delivering Happiness

Grimsmo + Vacation = Worry/Anxiety?

Normally, the idea of vacation should produce feelings of excitement and
relaxation but for Grimsmo, it's a different story. "What is the end goal?"
The guys are in a constant state of defining and refining goals.
How do you know you've made it if you don't know where you want to end up?

In his quest to pay it forward and build a positive community for machinists,
Saunders often connects to his audience by showing lessons learned the hard
way. No matter how thick the skin, the internet trolls get under it by using
petty and destructive comments to assert themselves.

Grimsmo "discovers" EDM --Not Electronic Dance Music, wire EDM for knife making!

Mitutoyo comes to SMW to do a Measurelink Demo. When it comes to business
partnerships, personal connections can add weight to business decisions.
At the end of the day, it's still a business needing to thrive.
Jul 14, 2017
Pierson MPS
Link to Saunder's Video RE: ChipBreak about drawings:
As patriotic holidays arrive and fireworks are ignited, both Johns get fired up about PROCESS--the process of making processes, to be exact.  What if you have no idea where to begin?  The important thing is not WHERE you start but THAT you start.  According to Grimsmo, "Sometimes you gotta make that first crappy one before you can find the better one!"  
Saunders finally takes the plunge (pun intended) and purchases a VF2.  "I only need to buy one more tool, honey!"  Saunders is convinced that a Mitutoyo Bore Gauge is the missing puzzle piece in his repertoire.  At least for now.
Not only do entrepreneurs have to be aware of thinking flaws, they have to be willing to admit and combat them.  When it comes to improving processes, you are the captain of a ship searching through your business for hidden treasures.  Even at the helm, you might realize you don't know everything and that's okay.  In fact, that's a good thing!
Jul 7, 2017

Delivering Happiness:
Grimsmo Pierson MPS Video:

"We've got to talk."  The suspense is killing Grimsmo after receiving cryptic messages from Saunders during his Californian machine shop trip.  

Saunders and Grimsmo get honest about the current state of their businesses.  Bootstrapping has its merits to a point but it can also inhibit your personal growth.  If you don't let others build the ship, you'll never get to steer it!  Being able to steer when the tides are changing is crucial.

For the first time in 10 years, it's not John Saunders and the business; it's the business and John Saunders.  While Grimsmo has been embracing more managerial practices, he feels that breaking the bootstrap barrier is far way but Saunders believes that now is the time.

Saunders might have gone to California but Grimsmo gets a taste of Hollywood when he visits a prop-designer in PA with Carl from Lakeshore Carbide. Now that Saunders is back in the building, it's time to get caught up.

Jun 30, 2017

Pierson Tour:

Grimsmo Knives work-flow boards:

Pierson QC Review video:

"Goals are tools that allow me to say no"--What does that even mean?  

On this episode of Business of Machining, Grimsmo and Saunders are taking action to improve workflow processes and quality control. While Grimsmo visits a machine shop at a local college, SMW hosts a TIG Welding class with Roy Crumrine and Jonathan Lewis (WELDING TIPS AND TRICKS PODCAST).  Grimsmo shares an Instagram photo that strikes Saunders in a profound way.  Pictures are STILL worth a thousand words--and shows that inspiration and perspective can be cultivated from anywhere! Saunders adds another new member to the team with a focus on Arduino and automation and Grimsmo gets a few new suggestions for a chip load issue on the lathe.     




Jun 23, 2017

"I'm not the host, we're co-hosts" and for now, they want to keep it that way.  For these two, paying it forward and reciprocity keeps the wheels turning.

Blade Show has amazing products but for Grimsmo, the people and interactions are the bread and butter(knife).  Today, he plans to chop up 20 billets of timascus.

Got heartburn?  It might be your workholding.   Saunders racks his brain about his current system and Grimsmo offers some perspective on plausible
solutions while the Richard King Scraping Class is hard at work.  

The 30-year-old Okamoto grinder turns out some impressive results when subjected to the 5-Block test.

Jun 16, 2017

What a shame! In a hotel, sometimes the only place with decent WiFi is beside the pool in beautiful weather. Today marks day 1 of Blade Show 2017 in Atlanta, GA.  This week is full of productivity, positivity, and new considerations.

Saunders hones his communication skills, grows the SMW roster, and shares an official result of negotiations spanning several months.

Grimsmo's week has been full of rask parts, fidget spinners, shipping, and family time.  Serious questions and a fresh perspective on an old cliche' precipitates discussion about his next business move. 

Although coming up with excuses is easy, Saunders holds Grimsmo's feet to the fire.  It's time to put a plan in action. Join in to find out what's on the horizon!


Jun 9, 2017

The Okamoto grinder gets TLC and opens the door to the grinding world for Saunders.  Although Grimsmo's not wearing his tuxedo shirt,  he DOES have a lesson on the saga of the "Linda Wheels." 

For entrepreneurs, self-evaluation and reevaluation is a skill that must be practiced.  While it poses challenges to decisions and beliefs, it can unveil new and better solutions to problems.  This past week has been full of productivity and new ideas on work-flow.

Grimsmo gears up attend the blade show in Atlanta and
Saunders get the shop ready for TIG welding courses.

Jun 2, 2017

X-Rays and broken bones but everyone is safe!  Full of energy and passion, the Open House has an even better year than the last.  Grimsmo gears up for his  6th trip to the world's largest knife show. The amateur bug bites Saunders when Niagara Cutter pays a visit and it was caught on camera.

The E-Myth Revisited is (oddly enough) REVISITED by Saunders. Are you a technician, a manager, or an entrepreneur?
Join them as they discuss current roles and responsibilities and goals for the future.  What would you do if money were no option?  Sometimes you have to think big!

E-Myth Book:

May 26, 2017

It's tradeshow time!  On the same day, Grimsmo attends Elliot-Matsura Joint Open House while Saunders attends the Precision Machining Technology Show.  As business owners, they always have to be on the look out for better products.  Sometimes it's difficult to avoid getting sucked into the almighty sales pitch.

Saunders contemplates a new addition to the shop while taking care of some much needed decluttering before the Open House. Grimsmo finds a new use for Kaizen Foam, goes against strict orders against making spindle liners for his lathe and can
finally see light at the end of the tunnel for Rask knife production.

May 19, 2017

Entrepreneurship isn't all sunshine and rainbows. The Johns both express their gratitude for special people in their lives.

Grimsmo decides to make his own fidget spinners (out of titanium) and two new grinding wheels have arrived. The Renishaw OLP for the lathe helps him make strides in efficiency. He is now running machines unattended while making good parts; especially with some additional macro code.

Saunders is extremely pleased about how well the Tormach fixture plates are turning out.  Do you think machine time should be shown during EACH op in CAM and Fusion 360?

May 12, 2017

As an entreprenuer, confidence in your tools and machines isn't all you need. Multi-tasking - is it a valuable skill or bologna?  

Saunders applies Grimsmo's often stated advice, "You can do anything but it doesn't mean you should do everything" by hiring a new employee.  

A dedicated Grimsmo Knives fan goes above and beyond and Saunders attends SKILLS OHIO, a state-wide machining competition for high school students.

Tattoo Photo:

May 5, 2017

Grimsmo's back in the swing and a new addition to his repertoire of tools is a gamechanger.  Renishaw installs an OLP40 probe on his lathe that measures parts and puts it into text format.  TRAKHOUND, a FREE software that interprets data from MTConnect to create a snapshot of machine data.  Saunders has
concerns about his Renishaw probe but is determined to rule out operator error before contacting tech support.  He shares some problem-solving ideas to reduce operator time and lean take-aways from Pierson Workholding.

Pierson Workholding:

Apr 28, 2017

Book: How to Win Friends
AMAZING Miyano Turret Lathe:

Saunders sails through the past week with relative ease, lower stress levels and high productivity.  Grimsmo gets ready for the next wave of production in what he calls the “calm before the storm.”  The glorious grinding wheel Grimsmo has been expecting arrives and comes with a free lesson.  In addition to the weekly updates, Saunders and Grimsmo explore an underestimated external business investment: Ensuring that your network is able to invest in you as a person to maximize success.  Fostering relationships and paying it forward adds value to those invested in your success and creates exponential opportunity.  Lastly, a special announcement for the SMW Open House May 6th, 2017.  Don’t miss it!

Apr 21, 2017

Saunders shares a golden machinist's moment. Grimsmo has been spending time "putting out fires" but why?  Saunders offers perspective on the impact of unrealistic expectations and an interesting way to get into a better mindset when problem solving and making decisions.  Grimsmo lights up when sharing his new thing: tracking tool life via a simple macro calculation.  


Apr 14, 2017

Outsourcing parts. Business relationships. A snow storm. Process improvements.

Saunders and Grimsmo discuss the importance of ensuring that drawings contain all necessary information when outsourcing parts and resolving conflicts in a way that results in a win-win outcome to foster good business partnerships. Grimsmo recounts getting stuck at the shop in a snow-storm and the benefits of his new Renishaw Turret Probe. Finally, they hash out ways to improve processes.

Grimsmo's snow storm video:

Apr 7, 2017

Starting next week (BoM 10), we'll have better episode descriptions!

Welcome to the John Grimsmo & John Saunders Business of Machining Podcast!  We (John and John) have talked every Friday morning for the past year and we realized how helpful it has been to share our successes, struggles and stories with each other!  So helpful that we have decided to record our conversations and share as this podcast!


Mar 31, 2017

Welcome to the John Grimsmo & John Saunders Business of Machining Podcast!  We (John and John) have talked every Friday morning for the past year and we realized how helpful it has been to share our successes, struggles and stories with each other!  So helpful that we have decided to record our conversations and share as this podcast!

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